Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Tue May 28, 2019 10:02 am

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu May 30, 2019 12:39 pm

Back on the 1909 Locomobile reliability improvements. I am nearing the point of assembling the cone clutch and setting the tension spring for contact pressure between the flywheel face and the face of the clutch cone. I am curious as to how much tension should I put on the tension spring. I know that I can do the old trial and error method, but would sooner NOT. Any of you fellows that read here occasionally that own similar cars or for that matter have experience directly with cone clutches on a Locomobile, you are more than welcome to share your "Tips and Advice". Attached is a picture to give you a jog....
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri May 31, 2019 11:47 am

Here is my "TIP" of the day. I have messed around trying to come up with a very prudent and suitable tool for removing the Locomobile valve cover caps.
I had a friend with a CNC controlled Plasma torch to cut out two tools, (both will need to be finish fit with a file for the best possible fit). One is for a hexagonal cap. Here is the picture of the cap that needs to gently be removed.
Al
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri May 31, 2019 11:50 am

Here is the custom built hexagonal tool. I will modify an old spark plug and weld in a stud to be used to fix the tool firmly to the cap and hold it in place while I gently massage off the cap with a bit of heat and love taps with a whammer.
Al
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri May 31, 2019 11:52 am

Here is another later Locomobile jug with an octagonal valve cover cap. Same thinking as before on this one.
Al
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri May 31, 2019 11:55 am

Here is the octagonal tool custom cut. The advice I would share is that some jobs (like this one) require some fore thought in order to stop or minimize damage as we go about the process of restoring our antique auto's.
Al
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:17 am

I will be looking for a bit of "Advice" soon after I get the valve caps off the jugs. What is the best source for procuring formed copper gaskets to fit between the jug and the cap? If no good source is available, who has been successful in cutting/building homemade copper gaskets? Please share your "Tips".
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:22 pm

Al Macmaster. Carr put in copper crush gasket. If you can not get the proper size get the smaller size and stretch the ring to fit by using a tapered mandrel. Cheers Pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:37 pm

Hello Pete, Does your stretch method distort the gasket much? That does sound like an option. My rebuilt Locomobile engine has McMaster Carr copper gaskets in it now and they are holding. I do not care for the fit and it bothers me to the point that I am going to do something different before I actually put the car on the road. I want more flat contact surface between the jug port ant the valve cage cap. As it is now I may have 3/16" and I simply want a better/wider gasket face than that. More "tips" and "advice" please. Thanks again for your thoughts Pete. If I could find a wider copper gasket, with a smaller ID I would very certainly try the mandrel option.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:17 pm

No they did not distort I used a solid copper ring. What size do you require? Cheers pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:51 pm

Hello Pete,
I will get a close measurement shortly and post it here. Your advice and experience is appreciated.
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by MochetVelo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:40 pm

Restoration Supply sells round copper crush gaskets. They offer many sizes.

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:59 pm

Hello Phil, Thanks for the "Tip". They didn't have a real good fit the last time I checked.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:02 pm

Hello Pete,
The measurements of the valve cap to jug copper o-ring is: ID 2-1/4" and OD 2-3/4". I prefer filled copper crush gaskets but would use a solid copper gasket if that is all I can come up with. I will next post a picture of the holes I need to seal.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:04 pm

Picture of the jug that I need to come up with copper crush gaskets for....."Tips" "Hints" and "Advice" welcome.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by MochetVelo » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:46 am

I have also used "Gaskets-To-Go" for custom-made gaskets. They make custom gaskets, rubber parts, springs, etc. in low quantities. I've been pleased with their work and prices.

http://www.gasketstogo.com/

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:42 pm

Al just checked what I had left over and the size was to small sorry.I did get mine ordered in by the local bearing supply house. Cheers pete

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